Curse

d3kst3r · Apr 17, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Necro PvP build

16 Curses
13 Blood Magic
4 Soul Reaping

Wither + Malaise (Anti Caster)
Enfeeble + Faintheartedness (Anti Physical)
Life Siphon, Vampiric Gaze, Blood Renewal (HP management)
Rez Signet

Usage:

Wither and Malaise on all casters since they are both highly spammable. Use Life Siphon to compensate for Malaise.
Enfeeble and Faintheartedness so warriors do absolutely no damage.
Vampiric Gaze as a finishing spike move, Blood Renewal for heals.

holden · Apr 17, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

i'd run shadow of fear/enfeebling blood over faint/enfeeble. take care of more than one warrior. it will only cost 5 more energy.

OverlordTyrael · Apr 18, 2006, 12:14 AM // 00:14

One Wammo with CoP would finish you off in a few seconds, vamp gaze is crap for damage, and any good monk could counter this easily. Since you have that much in curses, why not run SS? It's much more effective, and works against casters and melee classes.

d3kst3r · Apr 18, 2006, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Because when smart people have SS on them they'll do hex removal or not do anything at all. And to answer Holden's question, yeah go for it if you're facing lots of foes in a situation such as GvG or HA. Vamp Gaze isn't for damage, it's for HP management and also for a finishing move. And there really aren't that many CoP wammos around and Faintheartedness Enfeeble can easily be spammed.

XvArchonvX · Apr 18, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

I'm no necro expert, but that looks like a good build to me. My only concern would be energy management, but I'll have to try it sometime, thanks for sharing. ^_^

.killjoy · Apr 18, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Yea degen dmg dealer.. thats a build that counters all.

wheel · Apr 18, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

This is a bad build. You have no energy management at ALL, and your two of your skills (one of them is your elite) can be ended with a simple focus swap. For starters, swap in Offering of Blood so that you won't be useless in the face of an energy denial mesmer or a long period of sustained fighting.

Kidney Licker · Apr 18, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

This is pretty close to what I run in RA when I do go there, except I take barbed signet for blood renewal for use when energy runs out. I only have 12 in blood, just to get -8 degen on an opponent.

I only ran it a few times in HA but with Natures Renewal in IWAY, those 2 sec cast times become 4 sec :S, and thought there were better for 8v8. And I thought it was more a shock build to catch those not familiar with Malaise and Wither.

X Cytherea X · Apr 18, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

this is my wither/malaise build. it does 10 health and 4 energy degen and has health and energy management too. i find it very complete-ish.

n/me
curse: 10+3+1
illusion: 10
inspiration: 11
soul: 1+1

1. malaise: 2 energy degen on target, 2 health degen on you. only for monks.
2. wither: 2 health and 2 energy degen on target.
3. conjure phantasm: 5 health degen. cast right away to cover wither.
4. faintheartedness: 3 health degen and reduce attack speed.
5. ether feast: e-denial and self heal
6. drain enchantment: enchantment removal and e-management.
7. distortion: evade rangers and warriors
8. res

sure, hexes are removable but just put them back on. they are cheap and spammable. if you also have spikers on your team the enemy monks will be scared shitless.

Hella Good · Apr 18, 2006, 07:09 AM // 07:09

So in other words you are doing a spin-off the classic Faint/Siphon build...

What I do is:

Life Siphon
Faintheartedness
Parasitic Bond
Enfeeble
Malaise
Offering of Blood (E)
X (Suffering if GvG, usually Hex Breaker/Dist in RA)
Res Sig

dgb · Apr 18, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

Can you please get over malaise? Anything that can be focus swapped off in about a second is garbage unless you've setup with the apparatus to spam it like crazy. And it really has to be spammed because any decent caster will swap it off way before you can get it on again.

d3kst3r · Apr 19, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheel

This is a bad build. You have no energy management at ALL, and your two of your skills (one of them is your elite) can be ended with a simple focus swap. For starters, swap in Offering of Blood so that you won't be useless in the face of an energy denial mesmer or a long period of sustained fighting.

Energy management is quite easy actually since you don't have to cast at the same rate as say... a monk. There's ample time to get energy. And Malaise is as spammable as a prot monk skill which is used to be spammed. Infact all 4 of the counter skills are highly spammable and I've been able to destroy anti-hex monks simply by spamming them on repeatedly. Those monks can do nothing else but keep trying to remove my hexes and not heal the team.

Hella Good · Apr 19, 2006, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Hex heavy builds drain a lot of nrg really fast, so you do need nrg management. The most sustainable version is Life Siphon + OoB. You can also use Tap, Drain Chant, and the likes.

As for Malaise, it's a cheap, easy spam hex... it's not going to be much effort on you to recast it when its removed.

holden · Apr 19, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3kst3r

Energy management is quite easy actually since you don't have to cast at the same rate as say... a monk. There's ample time to get energy.

so you just stand there and wait to regen energy? hurt people with your wand. i guess that's why mesmers bring spirit shackles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3kst3r

Those monks can do nothing else but keep trying to remove my hexes and not heal the team.

he'll whisper to the team that he needs you dead. and since all you have is enfeeble, faintheartedness and no energy management it shouldn't take too long.

mesmers and rangers love 2 second casts.

ender6 · Apr 19, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

LOL i find the title of this thread to be hilarious...

well since I should offer something constructive:

-Add Mantra of Resolve to your build because interrupts are going to be the death of you.

-Next you will most likely run out of energy, add a mesmer skill to help alleviate your energy problem. There are many.

wheel · Apr 19, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3kst3r

Energy management is quite easy actually since you don't have to cast at the same rate as say... a monk. There's ample time to get energy. And Malaise is as spammable as a prot monk skill which is used to be spammed. Infact all 4 of the counter skills are highly spammable and I've been able to destroy anti-hex monks simply by spamming them on repeatedly. Those monks can do nothing else but keep trying to remove my hexes and not heal the team.

Wither & Malaise will only destroy monks who do not know how to focus swap. Oh wait, were you planning on simply rolling over and quitting against good monks? Sorry for the harshness, but the Wither/Malaise are terrible skills versus skilled monks since they can be ended with a simple weapon swap. Nothing more. Zero energy, no skill bar investment, no attribute point investment. That's a losing battle, and your character has no redeeming qualities in the way of energy management at all. Even if you were effective versus monks, you'd get destroyed by the standard edenial dom mesmer the second the monks started feeling the burn. You need energy management.

rii · Apr 19, 2006, 09:10 PM // 21:10

You need verata's gaze to counter minion masters IMO.

Energy management, more reliable/streamlined 'hp management' wouldnt go unnoticed, if its not RA then it could be streamlined down to maybe one skill, and pick an elite which isnt total garbage. Malaise on its own with a backbone of large energy management can be an average harassment tool. Wither lacks the spammability and pales in comparison to more obvious choices. Spiteful spirit, or even lingering curse (which under current conditions is unviable due to lack of energy management) are much more effective.